A New Doctor, A New Diagnosis, And I Am In Control
""I
used to walk in the shade with all them blues on parade. Now I'm not afraid 'cause this rover crossed
over" On The Sunny Side Of The Street
I called The University of California- Irvine
Otolaryngology Clinic at their hospital.
I made an appointment (12-6-12) with their physician who is an expert in Meniere's
Disease because I had been told that was my diagnosis by so many doctors. ( It took me almost 4 1/2 years to get to this point.) The office also scheduled an appointment for
me with the audiologist. Dr. Hamid
Djalilian is the Oto-Neurologist, surgeon and Meniere's Disease expert. When I arrived, I once again was dizzy in the
waiting room and then in his small exam room.
The audiologist turned off the lights and then I was fine. The vertigo left and she ran to tell the
doctor. He read the long history I had
prepared for him, noted my dizziness from the fluorescent lights (now I know
why I got dizzy at Target, Cost Plus, doctor's offices, my work, etc.) and
examined my eyes with a light. He then
looked at me and said, "You do not have Menieres Disease. You have Migraine".
He stated that this is a neurological problem and, hence, all my neurological symptoms. I immediately told him that I had never had a migraine headache and he informed me that 1/3 of the people with migraine never have the headache. They have many of the other symptoms and that I am on the migraine "continuum". I need to look at myself as a "migraineur" and this is "Silent Migraine". From his handout, "Most think of it as a headache problem but it has become apparent in recent years that many patients suffer from symptoms of migraine who do not have a headache as a dominant symptom. These patients have a primary complaint of dizziness, ear pain, ear or head fullness, "sinus" pressure and even fluctuating hearing loss". Hello. That's me.
He stated that this is a neurological problem and, hence, all my neurological symptoms. I immediately told him that I had never had a migraine headache and he informed me that 1/3 of the people with migraine never have the headache. They have many of the other symptoms and that I am on the migraine "continuum". I need to look at myself as a "migraineur" and this is "Silent Migraine". From his handout, "Most think of it as a headache problem but it has become apparent in recent years that many patients suffer from symptoms of migraine who do not have a headache as a dominant symptom. These patients have a primary complaint of dizziness, ear pain, ear or head fullness, "sinus" pressure and even fluctuating hearing loss". Hello. That's me.
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The
new thinking is , according to my doctor, "the tiny blood vessels in the inner ear
are innervated by branches of the same nerve that innervates the intracranial
blood vessels severely affected in migraine attacks. Individuals with Menieres who have been
treated effectively for Migraine see improvement in their Menieres
symptoms. This has been my experience."
Meniere's Disease is very rare and yet so
many people suffer from vertigo. He REQUIRED me to read "Heal Your
Headaches: The 1-2-3 Program" by David Buchholz, M.D. This book details a program which puts Meniere's disease, and other causes of vertigo, on the Migraine "continuum" and thinks of it more as "Silent Migraine" rather than Meniere's or BPPV or sinus problems,etc. You can get this at the library or at a
bookstore. There is some controversy
with the tone of this book as it is not "easy" to make all these changes. (Also, some individuals may in fact have Meniere's or BPPV.) My doctor does disagree with some of the
section on rebound medication. I also have information from Dr. Michael
Teixido MD and Dr. John Carey MD who wrote a helpful article I found online
"Migraine - More than a Headache".
They are also from Johns Hopkins University. ( click here ) The
relationship of endolymphatic hydrops (too much fluid) to Meniere's Disease has
not been made clear. Autopsies often
show too much endolymph or a tear in the semicircular canals in people who
never had Meniere's symptoms. And some
who had intact canals had been diagnosed with Meniere's.
According to this avenue of thinking
about vertigo, the treatment for the atypical symptoms of migraine (vertigo,
nausea, etc.) is trigger identification and avoidance. These triggers can be food related (all but
one of my original RAST test identified "allergy" foods are on the
trigger list - so that's why that avoidance and elimination diet worked for me
25 years ago), STRESS, environmental and physiological. I have since read that for many women,
vertigo replaces headaches when they go through menopause. My doctor, who is an oto-neurologist, put me
on Nortriptyline (an antidepressant which relieves vertigo while you are
putting the diet and other changes in place) for a total of 12 weeks (you build
up the dose and then slowly reduce it). It took 5 days for the Nortriptyline to kick in.
If you are not depressed, the medication has no other effect on you. All rebound medication is ceased. Once you have been on the low tyramine/headache diet
for 6-10 weeks (and you must do this for this amount of time), you can slowly
add small amounts of restricted foods
and weigh their effects. You have
raised your threshold for tolerance of food and chemicals and environmental
stresses that bring on vertigo and other symptoms. I notice less effects of fluorescent lights when I am on this diet and program. Nor am I as sensitive to eye or head movements. My balance is steady. Tinnitus is reduced. And note, just trying this regimen for a few
days or a week will not help. It is
important to work with a knowledgeable doctor for several months.
As you will read, this is a neurologically
based issue - and this same nerve goes to, and affects, the inner ear. The books and literature give much more
thorough explanations than I am qualified to offer. (Please see my Resources section) They are worth your time if you suffer from
these same issues. My hearing in my
right ear has gotten no worse, maybe a tad better (according to the last
audiogram), since implementing the diet. Although, I am left with a moderate
loss in that ear. My sound
discrimination in my right ear is very poor. My tinnitus is less when I am compliant and
sinus issues are very reduced. If I
slide off the wagon, my ear gets very full, I have balance problems, tinnitus
is louder and I feel like I am on the verge of vertigo all the time. Fatigue and too much talking or loud talking are also triggers, as well as hunger
(Remember when I went to the cheese tasting and skipped dinner and was very
over-tired the night before my first bad episode in 2008?) and weather changes. I also suspect a histamine problem with wheat/yeast as I am much better off bread. When I resume strict adherence to the diet, I am back to "my" normal in a few days. So, that is my story.
After
my first time on Nortriptyline and instituting the diet regimen, I went 14
months without any vertigo and only mild inner ear issues . Then I began
having some coffee and banana and avocado.
It was summer and I was not yet drinking enough water. I had been under
two months of chaos and stress after
returning from a two week vacation to a water leak at home. I made big eating mistakes, it was hot and I
was fatigued. And very stressed. My symptoms returned in
force. I went back on Nortriptyline for 10 weeks,
resuming a strict diet. I stayed off
the medication for 14 months after that without problems. I went back on Nortriptyline again after 14 months off and adhering to a strict diet. It has now been 10 months off the medication.
We are still in the hot summer months (September 27, 2015 today, and we will be hot until November) and hopefully
I will make it through to winter.
I'll let you know **(see below). I wish you all good luck in finding help. I hope you read the book and share it with
your doctor if you feel you may have vertigo from migraine, atypical migraine,
Meniere's Disease or Migraine Associated Vertigo. Some days it will just be impossible to avoid all the triggers. Please see my resource section.
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SIDE NOTE: Maybe It's About
Symptom Relief, Not The Diagnosis
While surfing online through the years, I
have come across several success stories
for symptom relief of Meniere's Disease(MD), Migraine Associated Vertigo (MAV),
allergy related physical symptoms and Migraine.
These stories really overlap.
ToastyFrog.Net (Uses "The Zone Diet", and very
reduced caffeine and sugar, to regulate insulin levels for Meniere's). My doctor also recommends eating at the same
time everyday and keeping levels even.
It is maybe more about eating regularly timed meals, avoiding hunger,
avoiding dehydration and not skipping meals than "what" you eat. And reducing stress.
Andrew
Goldbaum (Conquer Your Balance Disorder) uses a no- histamine approach so no wheat or sugar or citrus and no caffeine,
among other things, for Meniere's; his diet is very similar but more restrictive than
mine.
Widowmaker.com who has "solved 90% of her
migraine issues" by eliminating tannins (the foods high in tannins are the
same ones eliminated on my diet, with a few additional considerations);
"The
Vestibular Disorders Association" diet is very similar to the Teixido and Carey
diet out of Johns Hopkins, which is also
in the book "Healing Your Headaches
1-2-3" by David Buchholz.
"The National Headache Foundation" offers the low tyramine, no caffeine and no alcohol diet as a solution to
all associated (vertigo, etc.) headache symptoms.
They
may all in fact work because they are basically saying the same thing. The foods that you eliminate in a low
tyramine headache diet are very similar to the ones you eliminate in a low
histamine diet (so that covers food allergies or sensitivities as a trigger). They are the same ones you eliminate in a low
tannin diet. All the diets require you
to eliminate or significantly reduce
alcohol, caffeine, MSG, excessive sugar, artificial ingredients and many, or
all, of the foods with tyramine. The
Zone Diet has you reducing amounts of everything (especially nuts) per meal and
frowns upon MSG items, whole eggs (a histamine), hard cheeses (high in
tyramine), unfavorable carbohydrates
(beans, banana, raisins, citrus fruit juices - which are also high in tyramine)
and really limits cereals and breads
which have many artificial and trigger ingredients in them. Only oatmeal is allowed. For different reasons, there are many
similarities among these regimens. For
me, the one from Johns Hopkins works the best because it covers all the bases:
reduces tyramine foods which also reduces histamine foods, reduces caffeine,
eliminates alcohol and eliminates MSG. It
teaches you about the chemicals in foods.
This elimination and rotation diet allows me options. I can sneak in a little chocolate, and 1/4
tsp. instant coffee grinds into my decaf,
to keep life worth living. I can
do this because I keep the other triggers very low. I stay off rebound medication. Salt does not appear to be the bad guy but
since I do not eat out much I can keep it at a low-moderate level, just in
case. If you feel that food allergies or
sensitivities aggravate your situation, this type of diet aids those issues. Keeping these avoidable triggers at bay will help you tackle the unavoidable ones.
I know this new approach will be a
challenge for you to consider. But if it
helps reduce or eliminate vertigo (and the subsequent awful problems),
tinnitus, sinus issues, poor balance and ear fullness, it will be worthwhile. I hope this site will
be helpful and supportive. And I am
sorry that our lives are no longer carefree. (Click Here for My Diet/My Program
(click here for current update http://vertigotalesandtastes.blogspot.com/2018/02/update-for-2-12-2018-hurray.html)
** (I had to go back on Nortriptyline 9/15: Click here for the Update 9/15)
** (I had to go back on Nortriptyline 9/15: Click here for the Update 9/15)
I am so happy I found this post! I also suffer from MAV and oddly for me it hits me in the cold months! From about November through March and then during the summer time I'm good. I just wanted to say thank you for writing this. I don't feel as helpless or crazy anymore.
ReplyDeleteThanks Lizzy. I am glad this was helpful. If you don't mind - How did you find me?
DeleteHi. I found your site after joining the MAV forum. I have to tell you that reading your blog is very helpful. I have been dealing with periodic episodes of severe vertigo, headaches (but never true migrainous), stomach issues, runny nose, motion sickness, sensitivity to things like smells, patterns, lights, etc. for almost 30 years. It wasn't until this year that a doctor (I sought out an neurotologist because I was done with being told I had bppv) diagnosed me with MAV. He moved before we could very far in treatment, and I finally got in today to see a neurologist who is very familiar with this condition. He told me he strongly agrees with my previous doctor and can't believe that no one had diagnosed me with this previously. He is going to work with me on my dosage of nortriptyline to get my symptoms under control, and based on what he said today, I will probably end up on a cycle similar to yours. Thank you for sharing your story!!!
ReplyDeleteHi:
ReplyDeleteI am wondering if you are still symptom free? Also, am I understading that you went Nortriptyline for 10 weeks and then titrated off? That sounds like a better approach than to be on Nort for life, especially when you take into consideration all of the side effects like dry mouth, insomnia and weight gain!